Curt Crist, pastor/teacher of ‘Welcome To Grace Ministries’:
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“Paul’s gospel must be accepted, it must be believed today, and you can be sure that confusion concerning that gospel through the use of a counterfeit gospel; a gospel that looks so much like Paul’s gospel that you’d not know the difference, if you didn’t clearly know Paul’s gospel, will be Satan’s focus in this age of grace. That’s Satan’s purpose in this age of grace, to confuse Paul’s gospel with a gospel so nearly to it, that we’d not recognize what was missing from it or added to it, and it looks just like Paul’s Gospel. There are many folks out there today, and I hear them all the time, and I hear them in grace circle’s all the time, saying ‘all you have to do is to believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and you’re saved’. How many people believe that today?!
Just about everybody in every assembly in our town believes that. They believe it in the baptist, catholic, pentecostal churches. They believe it in almost every church across the board that Christ died, was buried and rose again, but what do they believe was accomplished by that death, burial and resurrection? That’s the key point! Do they believe it was an all-sufficient reconciliation where the entirety of the world’s sin debt was concerned, or do they believe that they must obtain a new measure of reconciliation every time they sin, and that’s by seeking a new measure of forgiveness from God, that He might be reconciled to them. Who in the world are they asking for forgiveness from? From God, therefore the assumption is that he’s not reconciled when they sin. You see what was going on in their minds? In their minds they were separating themselves from God by their sin, and Paul is saying that he has already reconciled you where your sins are concerned. Who we are and what we have in the person of our Savior is incredible, and I’m using that word in the sense of overwhelmingly wonderful.”
1 Corinthians 15:1-4
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
2 Corinthians 5:18-21
18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ’s stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
1 Timothy 2:3-7
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
6 Who gave himself a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time.
7 Whereunto I [Paul] am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
2 Corinthians 4:3-4
3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
A brother in Christ had these questions:
If you add anything, or do not understand the concept of reconciliation, does that mean they are lost? Is that how fine a line it is? Is that what Pastor Curt is saying that it is more than just believing 1 Corinthians 15;1-4?
1: If a person believes Peter and Paul’s gospel are the same, saved or lost? In fact, if they teach that the four gospels are the same as Paul’s gospels,saved or lost?
2. If a person says “they believe”, but add “BUT” we try to keep the big 10, we water baptize as testimony, we try and do the Sermon on the Mount, saved or lost?
…so I sent Curt Crist an e-mail, and this is his response:
I sure do have a response. Merely saying the words ‘Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again’…is no more than a recitation of sounds…unless a person knows and believes what he is saying when he says those words. When a person says…’he died for our sins’…does he truly believe what he is saying? Recitation and belief are two different things. It is ‘believing the gospel’ that saves today according to Paul, not just reciting words. If I say ‘he died for my sins’…but I do not believe that his death for my sins accomplished anything where the sins he died for are concerned…I’m uttering words without attaching a meaning to them. For instance, the Pope says that Christ died for his sins, was buried and rose again. You’ll find this in the Catholic Bible. But, the Pope does not believe that the sins Christ died for…have been ‘put away forever’. The Pope would tell you that you need ‘further absolution’ in order to ‘make heaven’. What does that tell you he actually believes… when it comes to the words he has no problem uttering? Do you see the difference. He died for my sins is meaningless unless I know what it means that he died for my sins. That’s not ‘adding to the gospel’…that’s understanding the gospel we’re reciting.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Now, about the second part of the question your friend raises. A person doesn’t have to understand ‘right division’ in order to understand ‘the gospel’ Paul preached. I’m sure there are those who think Peter was preaching what Paul was preaching because they don’t understand ‘right division’. The question would be ‘does the person who does not understand right division’…understand Paul’s gospel? If they do and they believe it…they are saved regardless of what they believe about Peter or water baptism. However, if they think that water baptism saves….that’s another story! Right division doesn’t save, believing Paul’s gospel saves! Of course, spiritual growth (an issue of the Bema, or Judgment Seat of Christ) most certainly depends upon understanding the Bible rightly divided. A person can be saved and not spiritually mature. But ‘spiritual maturity’ is something believers are called to…according to Paul. Hope this answers your friends questions. Let me know how it works out.